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New Real Estate Licensees: When is it Going to STOP?

17 August 2006 by 26 Comments
New Real Estate Licensees: When is it Going to STOP?

The total number of real estate licensees in California just continues to grow and grow and grow.

According to the California Department of Real Estate the total of licensed real estate agents passed the half-million mark in May, at 500,053. In June, the total number of real estate licensees in the state reached 504,144 (137,410 total licensed real estate brokers and 366,734 licensed real estate salespersons). “?That’s up 12.3% since June 2005 and a whopping 28% since June 2004.

With an estimated population in California of just over 37 million, one out of every 73 Californians is now a licensed real estate agent with an average of 7,000 real estate agents per county.

Chances are very good that there is an agent or two living on your street.

What do you think?

Are there too many agents or do we need one in every household? Is it to easy to get a real estate license and should the standards be increased or not?

Please share your thoughts”let’s blog.

  • http://www.CreditFitness.net Mary Supinger

    I completely agree that a college degree should be required to practice real estate. It is too easy to get your license and this creates a "earn as you learn" reality. This reality means that only a minority of real estate agents and loan officers are truly capable of doing their jobs. It is commonplace for lawsuits to be filed against real estate agents and their brokerage houses. I believe that more and more loan officers and brokers will face lawsuits for "errors and omissions" with respect to the financial products that they place clients in. So much advice regarding a client’s financial life is bandied about with very little research and disclosure regarding the details of loan products and their suitability for the clients long term needs.
    We have a responsibility to know what we are selling out there. More stringent education requirements would make for better loan and real estate agents. This would result in a public that has more respect for the jobs that we do and what we charge our clients for those services.

  • http://www.carmelstreater.net Carmel Streater

    I understand that the number of California licensees is astounding but like any other statistic it is, in and of itself, pretty meaningless. The market and economic necessity will trim the number. What strikes me is the number of California licensees who are citing the lack of ethics training in that state. I must assume that a large number of those licensees are not REALTORS (who are required to attend Code of Ethics training at least once each four years). Ethics training has proven to be a very effective way to modify licensee behavior in other states. There is no way to require a licensee to actually become ethical – this is a moral issue and is either taught in the home or not at all -but ethics training can teach licensees to act in an ethical manner. This is a behavior modification and almost anyone can change his/her behavior. I suspect that the lack of ethical behavior in the state may be due to the failure of supervising brokers to adequately train and oversee the licensees under their supervision (who could with such a large number of licensees?). Salespersons who attend ethics training must return to their offices to put the training into effect on the job. If brokers do not support the training through example or if they order the salespersons to forget about what they learned in training, the effect of the training is lost. If experienced salespersons ridicule ethics training, the effect of the training is lost. I sympathize with California licensees who deplore working in unethical situations, and challenge them to file ethics charges against violators. That might be the wake up call some of the unethical licensees need.

  • http://www.BobStaples.com Bob Staples

    I concur with much of the sentiment regarding increased requirements to be a real estate agent – BS or BA degree in real estate required (with increased educational requirements for the existing horde while phasing in the degree requirement). Any minimum limit of transactions should have some flexibility such as minimum number or minimum sales dollars. PS – before critiquing the english other agents use one should assure their own blog is grammatically correct.

  • Julie Anderson

    I agree,it has become a real JOKE. Every soccer mom in my community has their license. I remember years ago when they were thinking of making it "harder" to obtain your RE license.What happened? The general public will continue to look at us like used car salesmen if the standards arent raised. And, YES,YES, YES…if you are going to practice RE in the USA, please learn OUR language.I really don’t think they’ll ever raise the bar, so to speak….we as experts have to stand out among these part timers who think they know RE!!

  • Ken

    At the pace this market is headed, I doubt that many agents will last in the industry for too long anyways. It’s very competative out there. I believe if you’re going to be in this business then it better show. Having a system in place that tracks minimum sales or buyer transactions would be great. Education is a plus offering the most benefits but it wouldn’t get ride of the current licensed agents that don’t practice. I have friends that have their license hung in some major company and don’t do a single transaction ever. Broker’s should also be hit with some kind of regulation regarding this issue. Out of 6 homes sold this year, the seller was a licensed real estate agent! Eventually something needs to be done somewhere. I’ve been a licenced Realtor

  • Comments on Comments

    Before going to far I want to comment on Gail’s comment about Texas. Spot on. As an industry if we want to be taken seriously we need to be viewed as professionals. There should be no reason not to have a minimum standard for practicing agents i.e. number of sides per year. We also could have levels of licenses just like the medical industry RN-Licensed Assistant MD-Agent. We have the technology to administer this. But let’s face it, so many companies make money from pre-licensing and membership regardless of the individuals aptitude to succeed in the industry that it will be a political nightmare to get resolved.

  • Ron Hall

    It really is a joke. I hope the market goes down quite a bit and send the numbskulls back to Home Depot. NAR should require BA Degrees to keep to try and raise the IQ level of real estate agents.

    The offers I get is not worth toilet paper. It is embarassing. By the time I counter, i have re-written the whole contract. So, basically you dont need to know a thing when you get your license. PATHETIC!!!!!

    70% of the new realtors is not worth ****. Sorry to be so blunt.

    What is even more PATHETIC the the New Agencies popping up like “I will Sell Your Home for $1,000 Realty Company”.

  • http://tonymazeika.com Tony Mazeika

    The number of licenses increased dramtically as home prices sharply appreciated. there is an attitude that buying & flipping properties create instant millionaires. Many new licensees are only interested part time or are other professions such as school teachers and firefighters who seek additional income but not a full career. Now that inventory has exploded, immediate seller expectations have created an upside market.

  • http://www.jason-edwards.com Jason Edwards

    Dear Gail in CA – Your loyalty to the Republic of Texas is admirable. I’m a Texas with fierce state pride as well…from Austin actually where the number of agents in the board has reached 9800! Everyone wants in our business because of the tremendous potential it offers. Few however are willing to pay the price, evidenced by the super high turn over rate. After spending over a decade selling in Austin, I now travel the country speaking to and training agents with Floyd Wickman. Here’s one thing I know for sure…as the market continues to change, we’re getting closer to the day when Realtors in mass go back to their "real jobs". And if they don’t…boy do I have a lot of work ahead of me!

    PS. Who are "those" people on the border you were referring to?!

  • http://www.jason-edwards.com Jason Edwards

    Dear Gail in CA – Your loyalty to the Republic of Texas is admirable. I’m a Texas with fierce state pride as well…from Austin actually where the number of agents in the board has reached 9800! Everyone wants in our business because of the tremendous potential it offers. Few however are willing to pay the price, evidenced by the super high turn over rate. After spending over a decade selling in Austin, I now travel the country speaking to and training agents with Floyd Wickman. Here’s one thing I know for sure…as the market continues to change, we’re getting closer to the day when Realtors in mass go back to their "real jobs". And if they don’t…boy do I have a lot of work ahead of me!

    PS. Who are "those" people on the border you were referring to?!

  • Ken Stewart

    It should be more difficult to qualify for the license exam. Meaning more stringent educational requirements and a confirmed ability to write and speak English fluently. I also feel that there should be a minimum number of transactions required to maintain your license as an active agent. Fifty percent of the members of my MLS have sold one or LESS homes this year! If the minimum was as low as 6 think of how many agents would have to go away.

  • Kurt Weber

    I regularly door knock in Chino Hills and find in the price range between $450k & $550k, many times, 1 in 8 contacts are RE agents. They either have a million questions for me or hate me for doing my job and doing it well. I hate renewing my license, but if we re-examed every 2 years w/ half the CE hours, I think we could get rid of a lot of the riff-raff in our industry through non-action.

  • Gail in CA

    I have been practicing R.E. here for 4 years. Prior to that I was a Top Producer in Texas. To become licensed in Texas, you have to take 8-30 hour courses all broken into everything from Etics, to legal. If you have been to college, the board may give credit for certain classes, which then will allow you to take a few less courses. After you have received your license, you have to do continuing education, every year for the 1st 3 years,you take 1-30 hour course, then afterwards, your required to do what is called MCE and that is a 15 hour course every 3 years then on.
    Now with that being said, by the time you get a license and start praticing you are very ready to work, and know what your doing to a certain extent. Most big companies require you to go through an additional training which is about 3 months long.
    California is a state all about being fair. Everything and everyone, has to be saved. So life is suppose to be easy in California. I have encountered the most unethical people here. Ethics is not known here, because it is not taught, plus we are to close to the border, and well we all know that those people have no ethics. Lets face it, this state is desperate for people to want to live here, so the goverment makes it easy. So many people could really careless about anything, and what is going on is that people move into this state thinking that there is a lot of money to be made and get licensed,easily, sale homes and then move away. I am here because of the military, not by my choice. My choosen profession and career is R.E. And that is the way it is no matter where I live. I take pride in my etics, and my knowledge of Real Estate. I have never been in it to make a lot of money, just as most doctors choose their career because they are good at it. I am good at it, and take it seriously. So to those agents out there, if your in this just because of a dollar, shame on you. You need to think of the bigger picture, we don’t need you. Go away. California needs to stop making life so easy for things that require ethics, morals, and values. Licensing should require a lot more than it does. Take a look at Texas, california, you think its a state with a lot of Bubbas, well I got news for you. Our education requirements and standards are held to a much higher level than California and just becuase we have an accent, does not mean we do not know what it takes to do a job right. One more point, the law suits in Texas are much lower here than California, ask yourselves why. Once again we know what were doing. Get on board California, you need to wake up and stop thinking about the ole mighty dollar, look where your state is headed.

  • http://realestateinfo.blogspot.com/ John Ballentine

    I am in SC. I know that in our state, we have seen a large increase in agents. I am not sure if it is as high as CA. I know that in our state, a significant number of the new agents are really only getting their license because they are investors and they want to be able to discount deals, access to MLS, etc. They really are not “in the business”. Could this be true in CA also? If you think it is too easy to get a real estate license, try getting a mortgage broker license. In most states, as long as you have $700 to $1000 and no criminal record, your in. I wish they would put the same standards on mortgage brokers that they put on real estate agents. We deal with so many numbers and so many complicated financial models and concepts, I think that a 4-year degree is a minimum, but, alas, no such thing.

  • Taro Chellaram

    I agree with you that the State should put a much more stringent requirements for licensing, such as a 4 year college degree and not just an associate degree. It must be a degree in Real Estate. I am from Texas and my understanding from the last class I took that Texas is looking to implement this program.

  • Dan in CA

    I am blown away. Let me see if I can put this in perspective.

    California is 155,973 square milesâ

  • http://centuryoak.com Russ Glines

    Not only is it to easy to get a sales license, so is it to easy to get a broker license. I have had brokers work for me, that had low ethics and but very skill to boot. The bar needs to be raised about 3 times higher. This would both protect the industry and the consumer.

  • http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/ rudolph d. bachraty III

    stefan,

    thank you for bringing this very important issue to everyones attention. we have always thought that the barrier into the real estate industry might be too low. education is key. the educational requirements for both obtaining a license and maintaining one should be raised.

    even if more stringent requirements are not implemented by each state, agents should still take the time to continually educate themselves by reading books, attending continuing education classes, seminars, etc…

    never stop learning.

    -rdb.sellsius

  • http://teamaldrich.com Jim Aldrich

    The problem as I see it stems from the top. The commissioner of Real Estate in California runs a business based on numbers and fees, his budget is based on applicant fees and renewal fees. Staffing ratios, percs, status all comes from the number of brokers and agents in the system. This week at the annual meeting meeting of our local board of Realtors, Assembyman Tim Lesley said their is a bill that will be voted on next week that makes it mandatory that Agents work in the industry a minimun of 2 years (attorney excluded) prior to recieving their brokers license. The comissioner is recommending that the governor opose this bill because it may cut down on the amont of people seeking a real estate lisense. I remain convinced that requiring additional education is necessary, but I don’t believe that goes far enough. I would like to see a Jouneyman/Apprentice system, where you can’t get a license until a broker or seasoned agent agrees to a one on one mentoring program, with limits on the amount of agents a journeyman could handle. The appraisers recently started a system like this and it seems to be working. The slowing market will take care of things for now but they will all jump back in when the market picks up again.

  • John James

    Give me a break. The NAR ethics training is widely considered a joke. Many agents take it while doing email on their PDA in the back of the room while others have their assistants take it for them online. Realtors like to beleive they are better than regular licensed agents. Are they really? I bet you most buyers and sellers have no idea or understanding of the difference between a realtor and a licensed agent.

  • http://www.westsiderealtors.com Keith Pollack

    I really appreciate this Blog! As a Broker of about 50 agents in Houston with 20+ years of “Realtorship”, I see myself with global perspective of this industry & it’s direction. Being that we are members of NAR, I believe it is incumbent on NAR to PRESERVE our value as a profession. The reason why (We’ll sell your home for $1.00 Realty or come work for us for a $1.00 Realty) is growing, is because the number of UNPROFESSIONAL, UNEDUCATED, UNETHICAL & INEXPERIENCED people who are in this business is growing more rapidly than the very market it serves. Hence we end up proportionately with an ever-growing number of “professionals” who present little or no value to the consumer. This brings to the forefront of this discussion an age-old adage… With lack of value, money ALWAYS becomes the substitute.

    The only way our industry gets political changes accomplished in this Nation, (because the plague being discussed here is Nationwide & not just isolated to California) is to fall back on our collective organization (NAR). NAR and its fellow state chapters have the organization & recourses to lobby for this correction in their respective states. Which, btw, is in the best interest of the consumer as well as the industry. Those who profit off the exploitation of the UNPROFESSIONAL, UNEDUCATED, UNETHICAL & INEXPERIENCED are not serving the public or the industry. The bottom line here is establishments like that SERVE THEMSELVES! That in and of itself is against the very ethics “we as Realtors” ascribe to! Theyâ

  • http://sunnyspot.wordpress.com Maggie Knowles

    Just because someone has a license doesn’t mean they are actually working in the real estate industry. How many of those licensees are actively working under brokers and are actually selling real estate as their primary occupation?

  • DJ

    I am not a Realtor, Broker or an RE agent, but I have worked with approx. eight Realtors/RE agents as a buyer/seller. My experience has been that one, and only one, of the eight was a true professional.

    Reading through some of these comments alone was frustrating. Several of the responses, written by those who feel only University grads should be licensed, had multiple spelling and/or grammatical errors. Being a college grad today does not mean what it once did.

    The concept of restricting people from working at a particular vocation, by way of licensing, etc., is a European socialist concept that I completely disagree with. The marketplace itself will ultimately decide who can make a living selling homes and who is forced to do something else.

    That being said, my main point is this: You folks are optional — you can never forget that. I’ve paid-out good money to contracted agents even though I had to do at least half the work myself in order to complete a sell/purchase. I resent that more than I can express. I’ve also purchased property w/o the use of an agent.

    The MLS is no longer the protective barrier it used to be. You folks cannot hide behind it like you used to.

    The only thing which will make you successful is hard, hard work along with the good reputation and customer loyalty which comes from a job well done.

    Don’t waste time complaining about how easy it is to become an agent. Rather, focus on being the best RE agent/Realtor/Broker you can become.

    I have a house to sell in a down market here in California. I’m considering whether or not to enlist an agent. My experience says the probability of finding a true, honest professional, worthy of the commission fee, is slim. Nevertheless, I’ll interview several of your colleagues and ultimately make a decision.

    I’m a very busy guy, but I refuse to pay a large sum of money to someone who will not truly earn it. The commission on my current property will be approx. $30,000

    Before I agree to pay out that much money, I will need to be convinced I’m receiving comparable value. That is your challenge, not sweet old Mrs. Smith who plays at selling real estate in the afternoons.

    I just thought you all might benefit from the viewpoint of one of the clients you make your living from.

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  • JAB

    WOW! I am fascinated with what I am reading. I am in the process of starting real estate classes for licensing in the state of Florida. Based on what I have read the issue seems to be the same no matter what profession we are talking about. I have been an educator for the last 20 years and the same discussions come up in that field as well. Continued education is a must no matter what our profession is. Times are always changing and we must be open minded and willing to go along. Is there any literature one of you could recommend for me to read in order to better prepare myself for the world of real estate? I would appreciate any constructive feedback.

  • http://www.smartvestorsrealty.com smartvestr

    Real Estate License ! Thank you for sharing this topic. This is really a fact that Real Estate Licensing is becoming a need of the hour for the people who are in this industry but there are many who don't even have a license and running Real Estate business.